Carlos Sánchez Mato: “The contract of the M-30 could cost more than 11,000 million euros”

  • The delegate of Economy and Finance of the City of Madrid ensures that there will be no cuts even if the 238 million euros requested by the Treasury are immobilized.
  • Sánchez Mato affirms that he has no differences with Carmena: “We agree that we have to be able to carry out our political plan.”
  • He argues that at the current rate “Madrid’s debt in five years would have disappeared”, even increasing social spending.
  • He dismisses the possibility of being the IU candidate for mayor in 2019: “I do not have any personal ambition, I will be a bricklayer”.
Carlos Sánchez Mato

The delegate of Economy and Treasury, Carlos Sanchez Mato, in his office, in Calle Alcalá 45. JORGE PARÍS

Among commissions, public events and other commitments, Carlos Sánchez Mato serves 20 minutes on the second floor of Alcalá 45, the imposing building that the City Council bought at the end of last December for 104 million euros. ” We save 20 million euros of rent until 2019″, explains the delegate of Economy and Finance of the City of Madrid on the property, headquarters of their area.

The City wants to appeal the resolution of the Treasury for the immobilization of 238 million euros for breaking the spending rule. Why have they made this decision?
That decision is made by the Treasury in accordance with a law against which we are politically against but which we are obliged to comply with. What we would like is that when a decision is made according to that unjust law, at least follow that law. When this law is not followed, what we do is to resort , without further ado .

If this cut has to be carried out, what specific investments will it affect?
In no case will these agreements of non-availability affect the budget items in the form of cuts. What we have done has been that certain investments we look for another place to finance them, but they are made the same. What we have approved in recent days have been non-availability agreements that mean that instead of financing it with the 2017 budget, we finance it with the surplus that we had in 2016.

It has given the feeling that there was no internal unanimity when it came to dealing with the breach of the spending rule. Has it made any difference to the mayor?
Not at all. We completely agree But not only the mayor and I, but the whole group. We fully agree that we have to be able to carry out our political plan. I understand that there are people who want to talk about differences.

Madrid’s Calle 30 investigation commission is underway. How much will it cost the people of Madrid the Calle 30 contract that former mayor Gallardón made?
Let it be clear to the people that the Government of Madrid is not going to put things under the carpet If the contract remained in the same conditions until the end of its expiration (in 2040) the M-30 would have cost more of 11,000 million euros to the citizens of Madrid. But the important thing is not the cost but if it is justified. What we have shown, and the Chamber of Accounts says, is that with another management model there would be 556 million euros more in public coffers to this day. That has already happened. If you do not change the contract or the management model that will continue to cost a lot of money.

Will the people responsible for this contract respond to justice?
It seems clear that the investigations leave evidence that there are things that are susceptible to action by the courts . And of course it is very clear to the people that the Government of Madrid is not going to put things under the carpet, which is what the Popular Party has done and is doing.

The municipal debt has been reduced by 36% since the arrival of Ahora Madrid. Is it the merit of the current Government or of the inheritance received, as the PP says?
All the good things about the city of Madrid were planned by the PP, but now Madrid has come to do it (jokes). The merit of Now Madrid is to carry out some budgets that we have liquidated and executed and others that we have approved with the help of the PSOE. And in those budgets, what we have done is to increase spending that is the highest priority for people. Social spending in 2016 was 33% higher than the previous year.

Do you see that Madrid may not owe the banks one day?
We will never presume to increase the rate of debt reduction if that is at the expense of public policies. At this rate, Madrid’s debt in five years would have disappeared. And at this rate, not debt reduction: increase social spending and debt reduction, both. Because if we made the policy that the PP wants, it would be in less time still the reduction of the debt. But we will never presume to increase the rate of debt reduction if that is at the expense of public policies. We have capacity before six years have settled the debt of Madrid. And this the Treasury did not like.

The City Council lowered the IBI in 2016 and in 2017 it froze it, except for some neighborhoods after a cadastral review. What will they do in 2018?
It is not planned to do anything yet. Among other things because we expect the legal framework at the state level to change other tax figures that have to do with decisions that exceed our competencies. The playing field would have to be clarified in order to know with what resources the town councils count.

The departure of Celia Mayer from Cultura and her own from Madrid Destino seems to have caused some tension among the families of Ahora Madrid. Have internal relationships become strained with these decisions?
There are logical debates that in the case of Ahora Madrid you want to magnify. They would like to those who say so that we got along.

The PSOE is being their support when it comes to taking forward budgets and other proposals. Are you in favor of the municipal government?
Absolutely. We have shown total maturity and strength to govern alone. But governing alone does not mean governing without agreements with other groups. We have the ability to negotiate with the Socialist Party and reach agreements.

Would you like to be UI’s bet for the Mayor’s Office in 2019?
Absolutely. I do not have any personal ambition. What will be there will be collective decision processes in which we will reach agreements with the groups that make up this confluence. We are talking about a myriad of projects that have our differences but we share the city project for Madrid. The last thing is the candidacies. What I am going to be is a bricklayer to build the processes that give rise to the revalidation of the Government of Madrid on many occasions.

BIO Carlos Sánchez Mato was born in Madrid in 1970. He is an economist and defender of public banking. He has a long career as an activist, is a Catholic base, anti-capitalist and comes from Izquierda Unida. Since June 2015 he is delegate of Economy and Finance of the City Council of Madrid and councilor president of Vicálvaro.

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